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I’m not really sure what the contention is in this article…that somehow Ryback’s streak takes away from the way that wrestling tells stories, because it tries to present streaks as things that matter or something?
Ryback’s streak doesn’t even mean that wins and losses matter. If it was supposed to mark that wrestling, in the way it’s presented, should be treated as some sort of legitimate sporting competition, WWE would be counting it in the same way that WCW counted Goldberg’s.
Ryback’s streak is a handy tool to make Ryback like any other irresistible force. He’s on course to meet an immovable object in Punk. It’s a simple story, which is why it’s effective.
I feel like it is being treated in much of the same way that Goldberg’s streak was. Granted, it’s not as hammed up and I don’t believe they have listed an actual figure for number of wins, but it has been noted multiple times that he is undefeated and that this is why his character is important. If that is why his character is important, then isn’t that basically trying to shoehorn, subtly or not, the idea that wins and losses are the end all be all?
I do believe, yes, the forced relevance of a losses streak is exactly what they are trying to do, and just as far as where I feel like wrestling is now, it simply doesn’t fit.
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Like you mentioned, wrestling is smart now and doesn’t even attempt realism anymore. I actually despise this. I wouldn’t enjoy it if every movie was unrealistic and winking at the audience, how 9/10ths of wrestling does now. Its the shitty WWF ‘92-‘95 all over again.
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Its just really corny humor and its such a slap in the face to all of the classic wrestlers who really put effort into making you forget its fake, just like any great entertainer is supposed to do.
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Not even Punk or Cena have that mature, masculine vibe that gets wrestling’s core audience excited about PPV main events. Wrestling is so focused on pleasing new viewers, wrestling-haters, women and children that they always alienate the fans who have been here their entire lives.
(sorry for blocking out some of your response, I just chose the meat of your counter argument)
I’m not sure how this era compares to 92-95 (really, I don’t have much knowledge about that era), but I really feel like where we are right now in wrestling history is something of a benchmark. Wrestling is beginning to make the next step in its evolution, just like it did with the Attitude Era, and I think that needs to be recognized. I think that 75% of the Attitude Era itself was about pleasing new fans or fans who were there simply because it was the cool thing to do. Wresting was huge then, but where are those people now? I think the smart money is building an audience that cares about the product, and I feel like the characters being developed now matter more than most I remember. And as I mentioned before, I’m not a masculine guy, and most of the people that I know that watch wrestling aren’t either, let alone my wife who watches with me, participates in discussions with me, and is a regular guest on my wrestling podcast. I hope this isn’t the case, but if the pro-argument for Ryback is that he is for masculine men, then that makes it even more so something I dislike.
Here’s what I’ll close with on the subject: someone like Daniel Bryan worked for over 10 years just to get to the WWE. He then got there and had every poor label possible thrown at him. Despite that, he gradually got over with wrestling skill and his good natured persona. We literally always said, he seems like an awesome dude that I would hang out with, but just enough more-so to make him impressive to watch. He exploded at WrestleMania this past year and has worked week to week improving his act, keeping himself fresh, changing his catch phrase just enough to remain interesting and entertaining. His act has finally (and I mean that somewhat jokingly) gotten stale in the past two week. Two weeks since April. Someone like Cody Rhodes, Damien Sandow, and, yeah, CM Punk can have the same pretty much said about them. These are performers that make me forget everything in my life, not just that it’s fake. I literally don’t consistently watch any other television. Professional Wrestling is my escape, and people like Ryback remind me of how ridiculous, bad, fake, and scripted professional wrestling can be.
What can you say about Ryback? Sure he hasn’t been around long, but where can a character like that even go? This isn’t a show about fighting. It’s a show about wrestling. The two are completely different, and I think creating a video game character like this will prove to be completely ineffective in the long run.